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Advice Forums > Forum: Postgraduate Life >


Masters, PhD or Postdoc?

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Daniel Colegate

Member since: April Apr, 2008
122 posts

Daniel Colegate wrote at 15:27 on 09 May 2010

The question is, at what stage is it harder to find the postdoc. Certainly in my experience the PhD stage can be the hardest.
Any thoughts on this?

Kurt Luoto

Member since: September Sep, 2008
10 posts

Kurt Luoto wrote at 19:44 on 27 August 2010

Try rewriting your question. I don't understand what you are asking.
Even the thread title, "Masters, PhD or Postdoc" is confusing.
The first two items, Master's and PhD, are academic degrees.
The third, postdoc, is an entry level faculty position, for which the minimum qualification, as the title suggests, is a PhD.

Apples and oranges. What is the question here?

Daniel Colegate

Member since: April Apr, 2008
122 posts

Daniel Colegate wrote at 08:36 on 31 August 2010

Hi Kurt,

You are correct, I did completely mistype the question and it made no sense. I'm sorry. What I was trying to ask was at what stage of the academic career path is the research experience the most difficult?

I have had experience of Masters, PhD and postdoctoral research work and I found the PhD the most difficult. It was at this stage that I felt under the most pressure to produce results and was aware that a failure to produce good results would just extend the period I was researching for.

During my Masters my project had been designed to ensure that it was suitable for a short period of time and during my first postdoc', although results were my responsibility, negative results were equally as valuable to the process.

However, during the PhD you do need to produce something worthy of publication to graduate.

Kurt Luoto

Member since: September Sep, 2008
10 posts

Kurt Luoto wrote at 19:43 on 31 August 2010

Daniel --

Thank you for the clarification.

I suppose every person's experience will be different. I would expect that research for the PhD would be substantially harder than for a master's degree. In my field (mathematics), if a thesis is even required for a master's degree (a MS degree typically does not require one), it is not expected to contain new results, and is not expected to be published.

For my situation, a postdoc is expected to produce publishable results, at least if one's plan is to pursue an academic position at a research institution. The typical postdoc position has a light teaching load, but I have still found it to be a challenge to balance time between research and teaching duties. My supervising faculty member assures me that the amount of time available for research decreases as one moves from being a grad student to postdoc to assistant professor to associate professor to full professor. I suppose that one does not complete this progression unless they learn to become efficient and to master the time balance. So in one sense (time availability), research becomes more difficult over time.

On the other hand, I have found that some of the mechanics of research become a bit easier. One is already familiar with more of the literature in one's area, so new material is more quickly integrated, literature searches can be performed more quickly, etc. In other words, the more research one has already done, the more quickly or efficiently one can conduct new research. So ignoring the time availability, research becomes easier over time.

The above is my experience. Your mileage will vary. I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind regarding difficulty of research, but these are aspects that come to mind.

Phillip Travis

Member since: June Jun, 2009
28 posts

Phillip Travis wrote at 08:16 on 24 September 2010

In terms of the difficulty of research I think it is important not to overlook the external factors that influence the process. A key factor here is supervisor influence which will be important whether you are at the Masters, PhD or postdoctoral stage.

Kurt, your answer is very thorough but seems to assume that the researcher works in isolation, whereas a productive, happy postdoc' at one university would not necessarily thrive in another institution. There are many factors which must be right to enable productivity.

Anonymous

Anonymous wrote at 09:59 on 27 September 2010

This topic caught my attention recently as I was reflecting on my own supervisor experience - I count myself lucky to have had a very hands on and supportive supervisor. Even now I try and keep in touch and their opinion is of great value to me.

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